# Collector Crypt charges 2% on card sales and 0% on swaps, marketing lead says

Beyond Speculation, a Stabledash show. Oct 27, 2026. Dakota Campbell.
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Dakota Campbell says on-chain vaulting and low fees can take the cost and friction out of trading graded collectible cards.

Dakota Campbell, who works on marketing at Collector Crypto, says the platform charges a 2% fee on card sales and 0% on swaps, with Collector Crypt acting as the trustless middleman. He set those fees against the 10 to 15% he says online middlemen take before a transaction settles.

## Fees, customs and shipping

Dakota Campbell described the costs of trading cards across borders. A buyer in South Korea who pays $8,000 for a card still has to wait for customs and shipping and can pay an import tax of "sometimes upwards of 50%," he said. He also pointed to recent cases in Canada where $45 cards needed a $45 customs fee.

On Collector Crypto, he says, swaps carry a 0% fee, which he called something "not many people know about."

## Graded cards only

Campbell says condition sets value: a PSA 4 and a PSA 10 first edition Charizard differ by "$950,000 or something like that." Apart from sealed products sold on exclusive timers, everything on Collector Crypto right now is a graded card. He also said someone had pulled a $240,000 Snorlax from the company's gotcha machine that morning.

## Keeping crypto in the background

Collector Crypto has an app and a full website overhaul on the way, which Campbell says can be previewed at test.collectorcrypt.com. Host Zach Fowler said the future of blockchain tech is moving it away from the end user so it only powers the underlying infrastructure.

## Rip Mart at Comic Con

The company's Comic Con activation focused entirely on Rip Mart, which Campbell describes as the product of Collector Crypt joining forces with Merry-go-round, a collectibles company he called "a massive collectibles monolith." When a card is pulled, Rip Mart will pay 85 to 95% of its value on the spot, he said.

## From Ethereum to Solana

Campbell calls himself a "recovering" Ethereum maxi. His first crypto use was tipping Bitcoin for a cheap UFC stream in about 2013. He says Solana delivers the speed and scalability he had hoped layer twos would provide. He joined Magic Eden as a marketing manager about two years ago, and found Collector Crypt there, since Magic Eden was the first white label user of its API and technology. Fowler called Ethereum "cost prohibitive and value destroying" for participants.

Campbell's case for Collector Crypto rests on lower fees, graded inventory and open data. Anyone who wants to check the numbers can look up Collector Crypt on Blockworks, he said, where "every transaction, every card, every pull" and daily revenue are visible.

## Key takeaways

1. Dakota Campbell says Collector Crypto takes a 2% fee on sales and 0% on swaps, against the 10 to 15% he says online middlemen take.
2. Collector Crypto lists only graded cards for now, and Campbell puts the gap between a PSA 4 and a PSA 10 first edition Charizard at about $950,000.
3. Rip Mart, a joint product of Collector Crypt and Merry-go-round, offers 85 to 95% of a card's value as an instant buyback when it is pulled.

## Chapters

- 0:00 Hosts open the show and welcome Dakota back
- 1:58 Dakota moved from Ethereum L2s to Solana
- 4:53 Collector Crypt picked Solana when other chains brushed it off
- 9:16 Vaulting and low fees fix collectors' shipping and cost problems
- 13:50 Grading sets card value, so the platform lists only graded cards
- 17:37 Non-crypto collectors can sign up without touching wallets
- 21:14 Rip Mart brings on-chain trust to live card breaks
- 25:06 Blockworks tracks on-chain data, other tools cover card prices

## Transcript

**Drew Rogers** (0:00)

Who actually gives a... For builders in public, glass chewers, and fans of internet capital markets. This is beyond speculation.

**Zach Fowler** (0:20)

Alright. The show's down my spine.

**Dakota Campbell** (0:23)

Oh my god. Beyond Speculation. The production level here since I've last joined you, man. This is so professional looking. Look at this. Yeah. So, you know,

**Zach Fowler** (0:34)

Zach, we didn't mention this, but Dakota and Twam were on the first Beyond Speculation that was the charity livestream. I think it was February or March of of this year. And, yeah, production value has totally changed. You know, I've been talking about doing a culture pod for I don't know how long and admittedly, Drew and Zach. Yeah. Drew and Zach were pressuring me for

**Zach Hughes** (1:00)

a few months to to get it started and, you know, they brought me the tech and they brought me the the platform and I said, let's run with it. And I'm so excited to be here, and, you know, this is production tech that we could maybe share with you too. You know? Maybe Maybe. Yeah. We we we... I would be lying if I said we haven't kind of floated that out there because this is all... We we built this for... We we built this for what we wanted it to be.

Like, this is all built in house, and we're making it how we want it. And it's fun fun fact too with our live show, I mean, this is part of stable dash live. Our first podcast guest was actually our first live show guest, so I like this this trend of bringing the people that have kind of been the, the day one supporters. So, Dakota, thank you so much for being a part of, Beyond Speculation today.

**Dakota Campbell** (1:45)

Nah. It's a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me.

**Zach Fowler** (1:48)

Yeah, brother. So ahead. Take it, Maurice. Man, you drive this. This is this is your show. I'm trying to talk to I'm I'm I'm I'm skirt skirt. I'm in the wheel. I'm I'm behind the wheel, guys. I know we're running a little behind, so I wanna jump into things. Dakota, I would love to get, like, your Solana origin story. I think it's something that people, might not know about, and, I love hearing these stories.

**Dakota Campbell** (2:13)

Solana origin story actually isn't isn't all that old. I'm I'm coming to you as a recovering Ethereum, Maxi, actually. My my crypto origin story is quite old though. I used Bitcoin as a way to purchase my my way into a UFC fight in about 2013. Couldn't afford to pay $60 for pay per view, so there was this guy on Reddit that was like offering some cheap livestreams if you've tipped him in Bitcoin. And I was like, what the hell is Bitcoin?

So there I went, made it through the ICO paper days of 2017, and then the metaverse popped up, obviously, in in 2020 and 2021, and it got me really excited about digital collectibles and and the metaverse and this, that, and the other. Hung out, you know, on on as many l twos as I could possibly find and and, you know, really it was a a coming to realization moment that I had with myself.

Not to not to throw mud on on any l two or anything like that, but it's like, you know, the the speed, the scalability, the the this and that, all of that lives, you know, on Solana. You don't need you don't need an l two to achieve a lot of the things that I was hoping, you know, l twos would have achieved by then. So we, you know, we we jumped around from several chains on the Ethereum side of things. And, you know, Ethereum has its place at 12, but consumer tech living on l one, Solana all day long, man.

My my real introduction to Solana outside of speculating on NFTs or or meme coins was really started when I joined Magic Eden as a marketing manager for them about two years ago now. Was leading their Launchpad and marketing efforts over there on Magic Eden. We pulled up Monad and and a number of side chains that that came out of that. But I I found my bodago early and I've I've been rocking it ever since and, you know, I mean, he looks just like me. Look at the guy. I've even got the tie dye one underneath.

So Nice. That's my man.

**Zach Fowler** (4:12)

Had a I had a different iteration of that same bodogo. I think I had the T shirt, but not the glasses. Love the story. I think it's interesting too because, like, a lot of people that discovered Solana had been on other chains first. And I know for me, like, I have this saying that Ethereum is cost prohibitive and value destroying for someone to participate in the actual ecosystem. And, when I came to Solana, at least personally, like, the promise of blockchain tech was there. Right?

And, like, I felt it for the first time, and it sounds like you felt that too. So I feel like that's a perfect segue for CollectorCrypt. So what's the CollectorCrypt origin story? It does sound like you guys explored other blockchains and then finally landed on what I consider the best blockchain in the world, but I am biased.

**Dakota Campbell** (5:06)

Yeah. I mean, Twab just gave an interview not too long ago at the Solana Summerhouse about this very origin story. And, you know, we knocked on a lot of doors back in the day, and and it was a lot of have fun with your little Pokemon project type thing. You're... You'd you'd go to an l two and and the conversation was immediately like, well, what can you do for us? And it it wasn't like, how how can this chain, you know, help and benefit you in in scale?

Because at the time, what we were forecasting was, you know, the the amount of transactions that we we see in a day is gonna take up the entire block space of Ethereum. We can't we can't have that. How do we how do we, you know, navigate this? And Solana looked at looked at Twam's offering and was like, hell, yeah. How do we bring this on? What can we do for you? You know, how how do we how do we supplement all of this? And there he is telling the story a hell of a lot better than I could tell it.

**Zach Hughes** (5:57)

When when we think about, like, this paradigm of, like, cards, the rise, they're like, one, was this already your... Like, a passion for you? Were... I see some ETBs in the background, or were you kinda, like, sent into this world? Because I I can even remember, like, in the past year, you know, I'm watching shorts, all of a sudden, was like, man, Pokemon cards were so fun when I a kid. Like, I'm gonna get back into this. And I have a few friends, you know, locally too where it's kind of a similar story.

So was was it was it the business, Solana, bringing you back into Pokemon, or was this kind of, like, always, like, in your heart and you were I'm in my I get... Now the two worlds

**Dakota Campbell** (6:30)

get to collide. Such a nerd. Like like, Collector Crip really helped me understand that some of these collectibles are are truly an an investment asset. They're they're... There's a value associated with them, but I I've been collecting since I was five. You know, I I have the entire complete base set from my childhood in terrible condition because I played with the cards, but I collected all of them.

Now, yes, I I maybe pivoted to Yu Gi Oh in middle school and then was trying to pick up chicks in college, so I wasn't really big on the whole Pokemon aspect. But I've been playing Pokemon some way shape or form on my phone for so long now because of ROMs and, you know, so there was probably a four or five year hiatus where I stopped collecting any cards of any type, you know, to get through college and get a job and stuff. But I was always playing Pokemon ROMs the entire time.

And, you know, my my first discovery of Collector Crips was actually at Magic Eden as well. Magic Eden was the first white paper or white label service of Collector Crips API and technology out there. It kind of proved the thesis that Collector Crips got the tech, the inventory, the shipping and logistics, all of that. Why build all of these things yourself, you know, come and and and tap into the ecosystem that Collector Crypt has built and put it in front of your audience?

And we led a very successful go to market over there at Magic Eden, and that's when I started getting back into things, like, you know, diving through all my cards, looking for for grated grails, and and, you know, this wall over here wasn't always quite the wall. It's it's grown since I went to Collector Crypt. I have this vivid memory in college of my parents moving, and they go, hey. I found your binder of cards. Can I give it to? You know, it was like a family friend's kid. And I said,

**Zach Hughes** (8:11)

yeah. Absolutely. And then when I got back into, I was like, hey. Where's that binder now? It's it's been eating me alive. Like, no... I'm like, what was in that binder?

**Zach Fowler** (8:20)

You'll never know. Yeah. Never know. I threw out a binder while chain... While moving states. And my mom and dad and I looked at the binder and we're like, you don't need this anymore. You're 27. Like, why keep this? And of course, now at 37, I'm looking back like, damn it, I had a Charizard in there. I know it was either base set or or or first edition. I had Snorlax that I'm... There hadn't been a couple $100 in there and maybe a few like signs or a... A few thousand. Yeah. A thousand. Yeah.

And we refound my wife's collection. Oh, look at that cute little peek. He's also going. Yeah. Found my wife's binder in... Or bag of bag of cards. It was in a lunch bag in the basement, and we found some some grails and, got those hooked up into a binder. But anyway, back to back to Collector Crypt and the tech itself. So would love to kinda, like, double click, like, what problems does Collector Crypt solve for traditional collectors?

Because I think right now, people in the Solana ecosystem and probably crypto at large are seeing gotchas. They're seeing Collector Crypt, you know, around around the the timeline, but it might not be so clear what problems they actually solve for people and, you know, why would a a traditional collector be interested in collector crypt.

**Dakota Campbell** (9:51)

Yeah. I mean, that's an easy one. Your very expensive cards belong in in... Sometimes not in your house. Right? So so the biggest one is we offer, you know, the best in class vaulting services for your cards. There's a number of cards that I keep and I claim, and I I bring them to my house. There's a there's a whole stack here behind me. There's a whole other class of cards that... I I don't know if you can see it, but there's a puppy dog back there. I don't want him anywhere near $8,000 Snorlax.

I don't want him anywhere near my Typhlosion collection. Right? And so by keeping these cards on chain, I'm not I'm not going to damage them. You know, God forbid something happened to my home. They're they're not in my home. They're insured for safekeeping. With Sealed as well, I don't I don't know about you guys, but I come into my office every day and there's like whisperings like the telltale heart, the the heart under the floorboards like, open me, open me.

And so you can keep your sealed collection on chain in a vault on Collector Crypt and you're never tempted to open it like I am sometimes, you know. I don't know if I like that. Friday Friday rolls around, you know, you get a beer or two in you and you're like, shit, I could open it. And they... Thirtieth

**Zach Hughes** (11:04)

is looking really nice.

**Dakota Campbell** (11:05)

That's right. But, you know, so once it's tokenized, it's in a vault, it's on chain. You should always open it. Like, I I only I only don't open duplicates and I just wanted to build Scarlet and Violet wall of ETBs. But once it's on chain, once it's tokenized, we solve a number of different things. Right? Outside of just keeping your personal collection safe, there are so many tools that are not given to traditional collectors and traders.

Or you have to travel to get them, and you're getting them by by means of a middleman. And so collector crypt still technically is a middleman, but we are the least extractive one in the business by a mile. Let's just set up a a a small scene here for you real quick. Maurice, you've got a Snorlax card at your house. It's $8,000. You list it on eBay. Right? Someone buys it. Amazing. If I'm the buyer, I'm over here in in South Korea.

So not only after buying it from you for $8,000, it's going to now make its way through customs, through shipping, to my home. Once it gets to the border of my country of origin, I'm paying an import tax on that thing, sometimes upwards of 50%. We just saw... There were some issues in Canada recently where $45 cards were were requiring a a $45 customs fee and stuff like that, and it's it's cost prohibitive.

And then for poor Maurice, he just sold an $8,000 card, and he got $7,300 back because most middlemen online are are scraping 10 to upwards of 15% right off the top before the the transaction's ever settled. And not only not only that, I'm waiting weeks and weeks and weeks at a time to, one, for Maurice to get off his butt and actually put the thing in the mail, but then, you know, I've got to wait for the mail to do what mail does.

And God forbid, I live in another country, you know, the import tax that I mentioned is is very high and it's it's cost prohibitive, it's slow. And so collector crypt really lets you wheel and deal at the at the speed of the Internet. Yeah. If we were to do that same exact transaction on collector crypt marketplace, I could pay for it and own it instantly. There's a 2% fee associated with sales on our platform. And also, another really cool thing that not many people know about is is swaps.

So say I've got, you know, a a sick Pikachu card and $800 that that really makes, you know, it worthwhile for Maurice to sell his expensive Snorlax to me. We can facilitate a swap right there with Collector Crypt as the trustless middleman. And, you know, Bob's your uncle. He gets two cards, I get my Snorlax, he gets the cash, you know, that we agreed upon, and it it just, you know, facilitates that transaction instantly, seamlessly, and our our swaps are actually a 0% fee.

It's just something that we thought would be cool. So tons... Yeah.

**Zach Fowler** (13:50)

Tons of problem solving here, and I'd I'd love just, you know, a lot of people that aren't in the culture or in the community or or Yeah. You know, in the hobby as they like to say, might not understand, like, what CollectorCrypt specializes in in my mind is tokenizing graded slabs. So graded slabs as opposed to raw cards, they have kind of different markets and different valuations. Could you just give us a little bit of background for the uneducated viewer just so we can do a little education here too?

**Dakota Campbell** (14:24)

Yes. Like condition, condition, condition. Right? And so, you know, there there there's there's levels to this, as as a famous rapper once said. There's levels to this. Your your childhood Charizard... You know, I hate to break it to you, it was probably in dog shit condition. Mine was. It got a PSA four, because I graded it for fun. I just wanted to test it. A PSA four first edition Charizard and a PSA ten first edition Charizard have a difference in value of $950,000 Yeah. Or something like that.

So for collector's condition is is a lot. There's a lot of grading companies out there. But basically, what they do is they take your raw submitted card, and they they look at it. They're like, okay. Is it centered well? Is there any surface scratching to it? How's the back look? Are there any white dots? They assign a value one through 10. And, you know, everyone's got their gripes with any... It's it's it's a human looking at it. So it's it's not infallible, but it's pretty darn close.

It's the agreed upon condition and the industry leading definition for what a 10, a nine, or an eight is. And so a raw card is is still very valuable, but it... To a true collector, particularly with with some of this vintage stuff, condition comes into to question more and more than anything. And so currently on the Collector Crip platform, with the one caveat of, sealed products that will run ex... You know, in exclusive timers and stuff, everything on our platform right now is a graded card.

And so graded cards have certain numbers. They have barcodes. They have a grade that you can go and see, you know, this card last sold at this exact value. And so there's a lot of tools for the collector to go in and decide, you know, am I getting the right card at the right place... Price right now? We have a lot of of data and metrics to to give you information. I think someone just pulled a $240,000 Snorlax out of our gotcha machine this morning. Yeah. It's $240,000. Says who?

Well, says the five people we have working on our pricing oracle every single day, you know, says PSA who who logged the last sale of of this Snorlax card, you know, that card in a nine might be an $1,800 card. But because there's only a five and a and a 10, it becomes a lot more highly sought after. And so we're constantly up... Updating these these pricings, be be it a private sale or a public sale or an online auction.

You know, we're working round the clock to ensure that the cost of our assets and and the value of our assets is updated, you know, at at the speed at which that information is made available. And so condition, quality, and and pricing are all things that are assured on the collector crit platform too, because, obviously, we have to balance gotcha machines. We want to make sure folks are getting the fair market value for their cards that they have. And, you know, it's just another extra layer of protection here.

When a card comes graded, that, you know, not even does condition come into play, but there's really good fakes out there right now. And Yeah. To to know that if... That this card passed an extra level of scrutiny from either CGC or PSA or TAG or any of the the top grading authorities out there adds another layer layer of insurance and and transparency to this whole deal that, you know, you're not getting ripped off.

**Zach Hughes** (17:37)

Yeah. Dakota, what would you say to, like... Again, I think about, like, my friend who... He's very accustomed in the world of collectibles of being like, hey. He wants to go hunt for the packs to rip. He might occasionally go get a card graded, lightly dabbles with slabs, but is not on chain native at all. Doesn't hardly know what Solana is. Is collector crypt equally for him as much as it is for the Solana natives? Or who do you kind of focus on more right now? Or how would you...

How would how would I go to him and kind of bring him into this side of the the collect... Collectible world?

**Dakota Campbell** (18:11)

I'll say, like... So when you go into a new platform, you've never you've never touched it before, what's the sign up thing prompt and and ask you to do?

**Zach Hughes** (18:21)

Open question. Oh, oh, okay. Open question. I was a lot of rhetorical. I'd say, like, I hope something, like, privy like experience. Google SSO...

**Dakota Campbell** (18:29)

Google. Email. Apple ID. It's a brand new site, you've never been there before. Connect with Google? Yes. Alright, you're off to the races. Unbeknownst to your buddy, a custodial wallet was just created in the background for him. He doesn't have to give a shit about that ever. Ever. Right? The same exact ACA trails that that he uses to purchase anything, be it on Amazon or or anything like that, are available to him on Collector Crypt. And so he's gonna go on, sign him with an... A Google ID.

Maybe five weeks down the road, he's like, what's this 28 digit string of numbers associated to my account? Oh, I could send money to that. Okay. Well, now maybe I care to learn a little bit more about Solana or something. This app is absolutely for him. I don't know how Visa works. I don't. But I know when I tap my my piece of plastic on the kiosk, I get my cold brew. That's the extent of my knowledge of Visa. And really, that's the extent of of any required knowledge of USDC or salon.

You might want know what the US dollar means because, you know, if you if you get a crazy cool card, you're gonna want to know how much it's worth. But we've got an app coming out. We've got a complete website overhaul. And I I will say, in its current state on our on our website, it is a little bit more crypto friendly than the next version of it is is going to be. But I have a a small easter egg for you guys here. Oh.

Our our new website update is not completely live, But if you go to test.collectorcrypt.com, you can actually see us working on it. Our our producer is is on that. If if you're... Are you okay? Can we get the thumbs up? You you can you can show it. It's it's not done. There's some placeholders there still. But we are... We've put a lot of effort into revamping

**Zach Hughes** (20:09)

what Collector Crip looks like, and and, you know, yeah. Is there is there a route where I like, I could like gift him a gotcha, so it'd be like a really easy Yeah. Like text. He could gift it, he could go experience it. Oh, yeah. Like, zero to one?

**Dakota Campbell** (20:23)

He... All he he just needs to have created an an account first, and you can send it to his email address. So if you go to your profile, there's a there's a gifting tab. You select the pack that you want to gift him, and and you're off to the races. And there you go. Oh. Before you do anything, Google, Apple, we don't even say crypto in the beginning. You gotta click on more options before a phantom wallet option pops up.

**Zach Fowler** (20:44)

And I think that is the future of crypto and block chain tech is disambiguating it away from the end user and just having it power the underlying infrastructure and the tech. As you said, Dakota, no one knows how Swift works. No one knows how Visa works. No one knows how, you know, the Internet works. Right? And every day, we're on the Internet using it twenty four seven. How do magnets work? I don't know. Yeah. Physics. It's crazy. Like, I don't understand physics either. Love it so much, and and I, you know, I...

I've seen you guys preparing and building towards the larger hobby. Right? The the the grander, you know, view or the grander approach of, like, everybody in the collectible space. So, you know, on that note, would love to get a little bit of info about what you were doing at Comic Con. I was very jealous I wasn't there last week. Would love to get a little info on Comic Con and and what's Rip Mart?

**Dakota Campbell** (21:45)

What is Rip Mart indeed? So Comic Con was great. I loved every bit of it except for having gotten sick again, which is like any time I go to a convent... You see me chugging Gatorade off to the side, I have some bit of Comic Con cooties. I'm not entirely sure. So Comic Con activation was entirely Rip Mart focused. And if you caught the livestream last week, amazing. Great job. If you didn't, I've got clips in the works right now from that event. But Ripmark is is the the product of two very successful companies.

It's the product of Collector Crypt, joining forces with a with a massive collectibles monolith called Merry-go-round. And so Merry-go-round has live streamers for every sort of... You know, if you can collect it, they've they've got it. Sports memorabilia, cards, TCGs, comic books, figurines, you name it. They are already incredibly successful doing live commerce on a number of different platforms, like StockX and Fanatics and whatnot.

And, you know, a light bulb kinda just went off a few months back, and it was like, on chain technology solves a lot of the pain points of these live shopping platforms. You know, I don't want to knock whatnot too hard, but I'm sure you guys have seen some clips in the past of, like, people kind of getting ripped off there. Anybody can be a whatnot streamer.

And so what's stopping me from, like, opening only packs that I've weighed for my viewers or, you know, from saying, oh, there's a technical difficulty when I pull a card that I know you... You know, you just pulled an $8,000 card, all of a sudden my screen glitches, I chuck it off to the side or something like that. Yeah. Not only that, like, I've got a trust that once all these items that I've purchased from you, like, I have to trust this random stranger is going to send it to me.

And and that's a whole another thing. So I pulled this $8,000 card of a... Out of a pack, you don't send it to me, I get refunded my $10 that I spent on the pack, that's that's crazy. And so... Exactly. Yeah. And so by issuing in, you know, tokenized RWAs instantaneously, right, I'm opening a pack of cards, I got them in my hand, boom, boom, boom. Oh, wow, this one's shiny. It's tokenized. Immediately, it's tokenized. Maurice, you just opened this pack. It's a $10 card. Ripmart will offer you $9 on the spot.

You know, we'll give you 85 to 95% of the value of that card immediately. Right? So there's a digital representation of that card as soon as it's pulled, and then it... You you get instant liquidity. It's the most liquid marketplace. So if you don't take the buyback offer from Ripmart at the time of of pulling this card, you still get instant day one access to it. I don't have to ship this card to you for you to do whatever you want with it.

You can list it on the marketplace, you can put it up for auction, or you can take the buyback offer that, that Remark will offer you right on the spot as soon as it's full, or you can redeem it. You can be like, I... I've been looking for that card for ages. Send it to me immediately, and we'll we'll do all of the above. But it really puts the power of live shopping back into the user's hands and not the vendor's hands.

**Zach Hughes** (24:39)

Love it. Love it. 85% is pretty solid. And, like, you've seen a lot of stuff going right right now with the thirtieth and, like, this RGB view. And, that would be so unfortunate if, like, you paid for that off. How long does that happen to you?

**Dakota Campbell** (24:54)

Thirtieth anniversary was, like, what we were giving out at Ripmart for the email sign ups at our at our Oh. Someone pulled the blue RGB Mew. He texted me later on in the day and was like, thanks. Oh, thanks. Cool.

**Zach Hughes** (25:06)

The trip's awesome. Man, that's so... That's that's a lot of fun. Really quick to go to. If we wanted to dive into, like, data, just around, like, Pokemon market, who's kinda, like, the leading provider in your mind? Because I I... I'm even interested just personally to dive into, like, on chain volume for trading collectibles and then even off chain, the general market, and, like, how we're thinking about these these two.

**Dakota Campbell** (25:29)

On chain? You know, it doesn't get better than Blockworks, man. If if you wanna track our numbers, like, you know, the the curtain's completely pulled back on on Blockworks. Every transaction, every card, every pull, every hit, every daily revenue, all of that stuff is is available to you guys if you search Collector Cripped up on Blockworks.

If you're looking for general TCG trends and stuff like that, you hit up Twam for his bot that he's made that takes this index of, like, the top 160 cards and tracks how they move. But, you know, the verdict is still out on, like, the best kind of oracle, I guess, is is really what you're you're you're asking right now. Like, what's the best oracle for card prices? Well, almost every oracle at any given time is 10 to 20% off if you added everything up and divide it by the numb... The number of pools.

But folks like Card Ladder, I quite like the Collector app. Me too. Price charting's a good one too if you're just looking for at a glance stuff. It kinda pulls from from recent eBay sales. There's a lot of them out there, but Card Ladder and Collector are the ones that I like to use. TCG player as well. Yeah.

**Zach Hughes** (26:34)

More to come on, Blockworks. I'll just tease that, behind the scenes with with some stable stable dash and beyond speculation data. But, Dakota, this was a lot of fun. I hope in the future, we will have you back on, and we will be going through some gotcha and maybe ripping some packs live. Or maybe we'll do that at the end, me and Maurice. But, yeah, thanks for your patience today and joining the first day of Beyond Speculation. We're gonna transition now and bring on Todd from from Baxus.

**Dakota Campbell** (27:01)

It's great having you guys, up on stage with me here. Thanks for having me on, man. It's good talking to you. Hopefully, time we hang out, there's an app live and and a new website live too that we can do. Hit us up when that's happening, please. We'd love to have you on and and be a part of that that launch. Be my pleasure. Thanks. Thanks, Dakota. See Dakota, brother.